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4/23/2013 12:41:00 PM
Letter: Do you think criminals will report gun sales?

Editor:

I can't resist the urge to offer a few comments about the letter from A.E. Andress regarding a "rational and reasonable" approach to guns. I'll address the proposed "modifications" to the Second Amendment by the numbers.

1. Universal, comprehensive background checks. The Tucson shooting, the Aurora shooting, and the Newtown shooting were all reportedly done with weapons that were purchased from licensed gun dealers, hence, the purchasers went through the already federally mandated background checks. Even the guy who shot President Reagan and Mr. Brady, for whom the Brady Bill is erroneously named, reportedly bought his gun legally, months before the attack. How would increased or enhanced background checks have prevented any of these shootings? And how would you enforce it? How would the government know if, for example, I sold one of my guns to a friend? And do you think criminals will report their sales? 

2. Banning "assault weapons": Semi-automatic weapons have been around since before the turn of the 20th century, and even anti-gun President Clinton's Justice Department testified in Congress that they are involved in a miniscule percentage of crimes. And, given the number of such guns that are already in private possession, does anyone seriously think passing a law will entice criminals into turning theirs in? And have you read Senator Feinstein's bill? A semi-automatic rifle that would otherwise be legal is an "assault weapon" if it has a pistol grip. How does the shape of the grip make a gun more or less dangerous?

3. Banning "multi-shot cartridges"? Forgive me, but if you're going to comment on something, you really should have at least a rudimentary knowledge of what you're talking about. There is no such thing as a multi-shot cartridge. A cartridge is a single unit of ammunition. They are typically held in either a clip, a magazine, or in some cases, a belt. And since I'm assuming you mean multi-shot magazines, etc., what limit would you place on them, and how would it prevent or diminish criminal assaults? With very little practice, one can change magazines on most semi-autos in a second or so. So would you feel safer if I carried three 10 round magazines instead of one 30 round magazine? And given that there are already millions of high capacity magazines in circulation, how would you round them all up? Oh, I forgot, the criminals will all turn theirs in.

It would seem to me that A.E. Andress' approach to guns appears to be neither rational or reasonable.

Rick E. Brenfleck

Camp Verde


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Reader Comments

Posted: Saturday, April 27, 2013
Article comment by: itsy bitsy Spider

Ah, Mr. F, I'm glad you're finally noticing a few violations that have nothing to do with pushing your anti-gun agenda. With the help of a few stout souls and true, we can make sure the Watertown invasions live in infamy.


Posted: Friday, April 26, 2013
Article comment by: P F

I kind of laughed at Jon Stewart the other evening as he addressed Fox News' willingness to suspend Constitutional rights in order to speed the investigation, capture, questioning and punishment of the Boston bomber.

There isn't a strong Constitutional supporter on the red-air when it comes to Muslims and the far right doesn't care if the government infringes on 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th or 8th Amendment rights in pursuit of the 'bad' guy.

Hey, what's a little lack of due process, cruel and unusual punishment or unreasonable search and seizure?

But, the 2nd Amendment remains the immutable Holy Grail since it is Immaculately Conceived, straight from the mouth of God and therefore Sacrosanct and otherwise not to be edited by man.

Jon Stewart wondered what might happen if the radicalized Muslims in the country started to form a Constitutionally mandated "well regulated militia?"

That would be fun.


Posted: Friday, April 26, 2013
Article comment by: P F

@ Mr. King

Exaggerating statistics to fit your needs does little to further your argument, or, more importantly. your credibility.

"David in Cottonwood' referred me to a study by the Cato Institute that mentions the 2.5 million number you use. (http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/WP-Tough-Targets.pdf

However, the study includes an early caveat, "Outside of criminology circles, relatively few people can reasonably estimate how often people use guns to fend off criminal attacks."

Regarding the 2.5 million number, though, the study warns: "The high-end figures on defensive gun uses may well suffer from exaggeration or
outright lies.'

Exaggeration or lies, indeed.

Or, whatever one needs to say to support their point.


Posted: Friday, April 26, 2013
Article comment by: Jacob H. hit the nail on the head -

Why have any laws... drug laws? criminals don't follow them... so none needed.

Speeders in vehicles don't do the limit... no more limits... those are a violation of your rights anyway!

Gun nuts are on a slippery slope... and ready top slide....all the way down.


Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: Jacob H

So is the argument that we should not pass new gun laws because criminals wont follow them anyways?

Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: Brian Carlson

Bill and others keep throwing the 90% figure for people who want stronger gun control. The 90% came from a poll just days after the school shooting in Connecticut. More recent polls show the people wanting more gun control at less than 50%.
A poll after 9/11 showed 90% wanted to go to war with Iraq.
These polls after a crisis are based on emotion rather than reality.


Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: Danny Smith

Bill Bassett you are correct. It is average people defending our culture. The NRA consists of around 5 million average people. Did you not see the idiotic gun bills shot down in flames? The average person is waking up to the fact our present government is trying to tear this country apart.

Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: M J

Re: Yes, Bassett, comments do matter...
You do not have to worry ..... Mr Bassetts comment ... "but until you post comments under your real name your comments don't matter" ...
was written for, and ONLY apply to folks he doesn't agree with ...

one liberal says it .... and all the rest go .... bleeeeeeeet bleeeeeeeet bleeeeeeeeet

Hahahahahahahahahahaha


Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: David in Cottonwood

@Wacka Wacka

You wrote - "If you are a gun owner you are 84 times more likely to kill yourself than defend yourself."

Sorry, that statistic has been so soundly debunked that I'm surprised anyone is still throwing it around. It doesn't take into account a bunch of different factors, chief among them is the fact that guns are used to prevent hundreds of thousands of violent crimes each year, most of the time without a shot ever being fired.

But again, like I pointed out to Bill below, please cling to your faulty rhetoric, with such easy access to the truth out there, folks like you making the claims you do are a wonderful source of free advertising for the freedom loving crowd, and soooo easy to debunk. Peace.


Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: Bill Bassett

Y'all just proved my point that the only ones listening to you now are frightened politicians and others just like yourselves. Your arguments persuade no one but each other.

So go ahead and post under an assumed name or initials if you don't have the courage to risk anything for what you believe. I'm sure your customers don't care that they are dealing with a coward. Go ahead MJ and post your poorly written sarcasm. Sarcasm is, after all the lowest form of humor. Cite statistics taken from web sites that support your point of view, that's OK. But keep in mind, the culture is changing.

It won't be new laws that change things, it won't be lobbyists for the NRA that change things, it will be average people who change things by standing up to your ridiculous bumper sticker arguments. The culture is changing already.


Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: Jim King

Bill, Unless you have been involved in a incident where a gun was used to save a life, you are talking about a subject you have no knowledge of. You are a talking head.

So lets talk about how many times a year a LIFE IS SAVED by use of a gun.

Guns save more lives than they take prevent more injuries than they inflict
* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.
* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.
* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.

These numbers are all verifyable.



So quit bad mouthing people who have an opinion you don't agree with, and who wish to post anonymously. You Sir are the one who is irrelevent.


Posted: Thursday, April 25, 2013
Article comment by: Wacka Wacka

About them there guns...

For the year 2010

19,392 Gun Suicides
8,275 Criminal Gun Homicides
606 Unintentional Gun Deaths
230 Justifiable Homicides

That's less than 1% Justifiable Homicides!
If you are a gun owner you are 84 times more likely to kill yourself than defend yourself.
That's not freedom ... that's insanity.


Posted: Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Article comment by: Yes, Bassett, comments do matter even if under an assumed name.

Some of us have high profile jobs in the VV that would be in jeopardy if our correct name was used. Talking against religion, pro marijuana, supporting moderation in gun control could cause me to lose many of my clients. So much for freedom of speech! But it's ok to them to preach about God, how evil marijuana is as they drink alcohol while waving a gun around., talking about their "God given Rights!"

Posted: Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Article comment by: Milt Cruver

I know that above it is noted that there are 30,000 lives lost to gun violence in the United States. I would like to bring that a little closer to reality, As noted in Wikipedia the following statistics are based on law enforcement and government figures: n 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[5] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during the year 2000.[6] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States.[7]. It should be noted that of those "firearm related homicides" that individuals killed in shoot outs with police, other gang members and by drug cartel members killing other drug dealers are all included in here. It does not seem so "dramatic" now that you see there are not 30,000 "homicides" in the US and that many of those are not "innocent citizens". We have other more serious issues to deal with than bickering about less than 12,000 firearms related deaths many of which are criminals to begin with, when we have According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 32,885 people died in traffic crashes in 2010 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,228 people who died in drunk driving crashes, accounting for 31% of all traffic deaths last year. or From 2005-2009, there were an average of 3,533 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States about ten deaths per day. An additional 347 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.2 or especially Cigarette smoking causes about 1 of every 5 deaths in the United States each year.1,6 Cigarette smoking is estimated to cause the following:1

443,000 deaths annually (including deaths from secondhand smoke)
49,400 deaths per year from secondhand smoke exposure
269,655 deaths annually among men
173,940 deaths annually among women

It seems like we would definitely concentrate on issues that would 1. save lives and not infringe on my constitutional right to protect my family and property.


Posted: Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Article comment by: M J

I demand NO MORE violent pressure cooker video games!!
I demand NO MORE violent pressure cooker television shows!!
I demand NO MORE violent pressure cooker movies!!
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WHOLE CULTURE OF PRESSURE COOKER GLORIFICATION!!!!!!
Our culture MUST change. Join with me fellow anti-pressure cookers!!!!

If we rid the world of pressure cookers then ..... same sex marriage will be accepted, our immigration policy will be much more inclusive, and global warming .... ah ...... er ...... climate change will slow down!!!!! Join with me fellow anti-pressure cookers!!!!

If pressure cookers are outlawed, then think what a wonderful world this will be!!!!!! ♪ ♫ what a wonderful wooooorld this will be ♪ ♫

Let us start a petition to rid the world of pressure cookers!!!!!!!! Start a buy back program, $10 .... no $100 ..... nooooooo ..... it's the governments money so who cares ....... $10,000 for every pressure cooker brought in ..... no questions asked!! Join with me fellow anti-pressure cookers!!!!

♪ ♫ Hey Hey Ho Ho pressure cookers have got to go ♪ ♫
♪ ♫ Hey Hey Ho Ho pressure cookers have got to go ♪ ♫
♪ ♫ Hey Hey Ho Ho pressure cookers have got to go ♪ ♫



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